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Our help section has a prohibition on "hackintosh" questions where I believe the intent is to avoid low value, low quality questions about driver support.

https://apple.stackexchange.com/help/on-topic

Installing or using Apple operating systems on non-Apple hardware (and most other explicitly unlicensed use of product)

Would it be helpful to explicitly mention virtualization as either on-topic or off-topic or just leave things as stated - focus on the hardware and close topics that aren't about virtualizing directly onto Mac hardware per the strict reading of the current help section?

Here are a few questions we've had under this category:

Also unlicensed are these questions:

  • Dealing with these questions on a per-case basis would have saved SO much more time than was invested into this nonconstructive thread lol – Alexander - Reinstate Monica Sep 15 '13 at 20:05
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As far as I can read the Apple License (and I am not a lawyer), installing Apple operating systems in a virtualized environment is permitted by the terms of the license as long as the virtualized environment is running on Apple-branded hardware. Running a virtualized system on non-Apple hardware is "explicitly unlicensed use of product".

If we want to keep that as our bright line test (and I'm indifferent to that as a standard, but it is our current one), then I'd say questions about installing OS X in a virtualized environment in general are on-topic here, because they could apply to a licensed use of OS X. If one can run Linux on a Mac (and a quick Google search indicates that this seems to be possible), then running OS X virtualized on a Mac that is running Linux would be a licensed use of the product, and thus on-topic for the site.

Questions specific to running OS X virtualized on Linux on, say, a Dell or a Wang or ENIAC would be off-topic because they explicitly violate the license agreement.

So my reading of the current standards is that because one could run Linux on a Mac and then legitimately virtualize OS X on top of that, the question is on-topic and needs no update to the FAQ.

Going through your examples, the first one is on-topic as is; Ubuntu can run on a Mac, so an end user entirely within the scope of Apple's license could be helped by this answer.

The second one is explicitly run on a Mac. The Apple terms say the software is licensed to run on Apple hardware, and that's what's being done.

The third one is off-topic; it's asking specifically about getting it to run on a HP computer. It might be editable to be on-topic, but if the problem is specific to the drivers needed for the HP hardware, it's off-topic.

The fourth one is on-topic. Windows can run on a Mac, so this answer could apply to someone running Mac OS X on Apple hardware.

The fifth one is leaning toward off-topic as written, but edit "I have a Windows PC" to "I have a computer running Windows" and we're back in on-topic territory.

The sixth one is clearly on-topic; it's asking what the license allows, rather than asking how to do something not permitted.

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    If I were to summarize your thinking as "we're OK with virtualization questions as long as they are otherwise up to standard and not exclusively about drivers for non-Mac hardware" would that be a fair reading of your intent? – bmike Sep 2 '13 at 21:14
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    @bmike That pretty much sums it up. That said, I'd be fine with another standard, too; this was just my attempt to interpret our existing standards. I have no strong feelings here; just trying to be consistent. – Daniel Sep 2 '13 at 21:31
  • I could imagine a Mac hardware user running Linux as primary OS but wanting to virtualize OS X for the odd occasion when they need it. – Daniel Sep 2 '13 at 21:32
  • Perfect. I'm more looking to be sure I understand consensus than change anything. My gut tells me we don't really need to close any of the example questions, but I didn't want to miss a good reason to close things down (or over-rule community votes should one of the ones that seemed good to me got closed). – bmike Sep 2 '13 at 22:01
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Can think of various reasons NOT to ban them, I think a better direction is to take a good look at the on-topic section, and look to review and clarify existing content, and then expand it maybe to include a mini FAQ and/or example Q&A for all contentious portions (Virtualised OS, Developer Programs/iTunes Connect, NDA covered topics etc) to make it a bit more useful on the whole.

I think the hackintosh subject is very quiet these days, both on the site and general in terms of internet chatter, but we see plenty of questions regarding other issues that are off topic far more regularly.

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